I’ve gotten to sleep in a couple days this week, because I was not needed for hair. Woot! However, today, I had to get up to do Things. I did hair. I helped with clasps (one bracelet, 2 necklaces). I filled a peri bottle. While I was up, I dealt with some stains.
At that point, I was awake enough to be hungry, so I stayed up. I’d been up a little past midnight, so that means I’m a little punchy and may take a nap later, but I have to get up early to drive over to Albany tomorrow for a birthday party AND I intend to stay up a little late to do zoom cocktail hour. Getting up early-ish and taking a nap is probably the correct decision.
In the meantime, I’m reading news and there are a lot of people (last week on zoom cocktail hour and just everywhere in the news and also on podcasts like Odd Lots that I listen to) talking about banking regulations. The last gasp of we-shouldn’t-have-gotten-rid-of-Glass-Steagall is circulating. People are however finally talking about getting rid of the limit on deposit insurance.
A really long time ago — basically, when we finally got rid of the last remnants of Glass-Steagall — I was a lot younger and setting up my first Not Just a Checking Or Savings Account type of account. I kicked the tires on these kinds of accounts, because first of all, I was trusting them with a lot more than I had ever had in a Checking Account or Savings Account and also, it was very clear that these things were NOT FDIC insured. There was SIPC, but if you read the details on that, that’s not super inspiring. And money market funds “breaking the buck” was a thing that people had been worried about in the news for long enough for me to notice even back then, when I wasn’t that big a consumer of news. Also a thing in the news: celebrities whose financial advisor stole all the money and ran away to Mexico or whatever.
I resolved my fears by setting up accounts with two different banks (amazingly, they are _still_ two different banks), and then making sure the advisors on both sides understood that there was another team and they would never be in touch with each other and the reason I was doing this was so that if anything really criminal happened with my money on one side, I would still have a bunch of money to come track them down and do even worse things to them, independent of whether that would get me the money back or not. I felt like this created a Strong Enough disincentive; if I was inadvertently doing business with someone less than honest, they were much less likely to pick on me to be less than honest with. Also, I was not that rich, and the banks involved are massive, so I figured if there was shenanigans, the bank itself would be motivated to replenish so that no one outside would ever find out.
This is NOT how everyone with more money than the amount the FDIC will insure should have to think about things. The original team I worked with offered the option of setting up and managing ordinary bank accounts up to the deposit limit in a string of _other banks_, so that if I wanted to be all in insured cash, they could do that. They said they _did_ do that for at least some customers. The current version of that team and the bank they are at has two separate banks to offer more broadly and in a less labor intensive way a lesser version of the same service.
I mention this because if you have more than $250000 and you want it safe in cash in a bank, you have to have it in _two different banks_. Two accounts for the same person will not accomplish the goal. There are around 5K banks that are FDIC insured, so the maximum amount of FDIC insured cash deposits you can have is something like a billion and a quarter. I don’t know if any of the accounts at SVB had more than that amount of money, but certainly there was news coverage of Roku having a half a billion dollars in an account or accounts at SVB. It was common over the last several days for people to poke fun at the N00Bs who had accounts at SVB, because they didn’t have Sophisticated cash management. I, personally, was hugely entertained to learn that there was a chicken shop chain in Nashville called Fry the Coop. Great name! They used Patriot Software for payroll (I’m probably not gonna like the people who named a company Patriot Software) and — this part is sad — payroll was delayed for some of the employees of Fry the Coop as a result of Patriot Software having their customer accounts at Patriot’s bank, SVB. People were like, ha ha ha why didn’t you diversify your banking partners, Patriot. Obviously, Patriot did work on that problem after. But why should they have to?
A _lot_ of people have also been pointing out that if _banking_ regulators fail to notice problems, and if _bankers_ can’t avoid problems, it seems a little unfair to mock individuals and companies for failing to spot problems with a bank. I knew that I could pick very large (this was in the era before TBTF, but in the same spirit) institutions, and make sure the people I interacted with had appropriate credentialing, but I also knew that Bad Shit Had Happened to people who were better at doing this kind of assessment than I was. My only solution was, okay, have two, so I have something to commit revenge with, and then tell everyone that’s my plan, and hope they take that seriously.
My question is simple: what _regulatory_ purpose is served by having a deposit limit for FDIC insurance? I understand that once you have unlimited insurance for deposits, an immediate question is raised in many people’s minds about But Then Why Have Private Banks At All. There’s been talk of letting people have bank accounts directly with the Fed for a while now (“The Narrow Bank”) and boy, does the Fed not want that. Who can blame them? If someone writes a bad check, either on their own account or criminally on someone else’s account, the bank has to deal with that — it’s a customer service problem, it’s a legal problem, it’s just a hassle. But also, there’s going to be just random crap like, oh I lost my debit card and how do I get a new one. A lot of people want single payer and point out all the savings to be had by doing so, over in health insurance. We don’t do that, and everyone bemoans all the capitalists getting rich. And also, this is a way for the government to not become mired in every single customer service complaint. Imagine all the people escalating to their Representative or Senator, every time they were not happy about a charge at the doctor … or a fee that wasn’t reimbursed on the ATM … or a charge they don’t recognize but will after they harangue some poor schmuck on the phone for an hour. We’re not going to have ordinary folks banking at the Fed now or ever, because nobody over there has any desire to run a customer service operation for the entire planet.
But as long as people could get around the limit by banking in multiple banks, it seems a little ridiculous to have the limit in the first place. Especially if the FDIC is going to cover some or maybe even all deposits way past the limit, and with lapses in access that are measured in a single weekend. Does it make sense to have more than one credit card in case something happens to one and you have to wait for a replacement card? Sure! That does NOT mean you should have to have a different credit card for every additional N dollars you might want to charge in a billing cycle. If you have a bunch of cards, you can generally close several, and get the dollar limit on the ones you closed added to whichever one(s) you kept. I just don’t fully understand why it doesn’t work this way for bank accounts. I mean, other than the obvious path dependency issue. Historic reasons to not work this way, but we’re here, we should change it.
TL;DR I can understand having two email accounts, in case one is unavailable. I can understand having two credit cards, in case something happens to one of them. I can understand having two bank accounts, ditto. But I don’t understand why there _from a regulatory perspective_ there should be a deposit limit that people can get around by having N accounts (up to a very large multiple of the deposit limit). Just because it _seems_ like you might as well let people have a checking account at the Fed if there’s no deposit limit doesn’t mean there are not really important services being provided by private banks. We can go to no deposit limit on insurance without immediately stepping to banking at the Fed.
At that point, I was awake enough to be hungry, so I stayed up. I’d been up a little past midnight, so that means I’m a little punchy and may take a nap later, but I have to get up early to drive over to Albany tomorrow for a birthday party AND I intend to stay up a little late to do zoom cocktail hour. Getting up early-ish and taking a nap is probably the correct decision.
In the meantime, I’m reading news and there are a lot of people (last week on zoom cocktail hour and just everywhere in the news and also on podcasts like Odd Lots that I listen to) talking about banking regulations. The last gasp of we-shouldn’t-have-gotten-rid-of-Glass-Steagall is circulating. People are however finally talking about getting rid of the limit on deposit insurance.
A really long time ago — basically, when we finally got rid of the last remnants of Glass-Steagall — I was a lot younger and setting up my first Not Just a Checking Or Savings Account type of account. I kicked the tires on these kinds of accounts, because first of all, I was trusting them with a lot more than I had ever had in a Checking Account or Savings Account and also, it was very clear that these things were NOT FDIC insured. There was SIPC, but if you read the details on that, that’s not super inspiring. And money market funds “breaking the buck” was a thing that people had been worried about in the news for long enough for me to notice even back then, when I wasn’t that big a consumer of news. Also a thing in the news: celebrities whose financial advisor stole all the money and ran away to Mexico or whatever.
I resolved my fears by setting up accounts with two different banks (amazingly, they are _still_ two different banks), and then making sure the advisors on both sides understood that there was another team and they would never be in touch with each other and the reason I was doing this was so that if anything really criminal happened with my money on one side, I would still have a bunch of money to come track them down and do even worse things to them, independent of whether that would get me the money back or not. I felt like this created a Strong Enough disincentive; if I was inadvertently doing business with someone less than honest, they were much less likely to pick on me to be less than honest with. Also, I was not that rich, and the banks involved are massive, so I figured if there was shenanigans, the bank itself would be motivated to replenish so that no one outside would ever find out.
This is NOT how everyone with more money than the amount the FDIC will insure should have to think about things. The original team I worked with offered the option of setting up and managing ordinary bank accounts up to the deposit limit in a string of _other banks_, so that if I wanted to be all in insured cash, they could do that. They said they _did_ do that for at least some customers. The current version of that team and the bank they are at has two separate banks to offer more broadly and in a less labor intensive way a lesser version of the same service.
I mention this because if you have more than $250000 and you want it safe in cash in a bank, you have to have it in _two different banks_. Two accounts for the same person will not accomplish the goal. There are around 5K banks that are FDIC insured, so the maximum amount of FDIC insured cash deposits you can have is something like a billion and a quarter. I don’t know if any of the accounts at SVB had more than that amount of money, but certainly there was news coverage of Roku having a half a billion dollars in an account or accounts at SVB. It was common over the last several days for people to poke fun at the N00Bs who had accounts at SVB, because they didn’t have Sophisticated cash management. I, personally, was hugely entertained to learn that there was a chicken shop chain in Nashville called Fry the Coop. Great name! They used Patriot Software for payroll (I’m probably not gonna like the people who named a company Patriot Software) and — this part is sad — payroll was delayed for some of the employees of Fry the Coop as a result of Patriot Software having their customer accounts at Patriot’s bank, SVB. People were like, ha ha ha why didn’t you diversify your banking partners, Patriot. Obviously, Patriot did work on that problem after. But why should they have to?
A _lot_ of people have also been pointing out that if _banking_ regulators fail to notice problems, and if _bankers_ can’t avoid problems, it seems a little unfair to mock individuals and companies for failing to spot problems with a bank. I knew that I could pick very large (this was in the era before TBTF, but in the same spirit) institutions, and make sure the people I interacted with had appropriate credentialing, but I also knew that Bad Shit Had Happened to people who were better at doing this kind of assessment than I was. My only solution was, okay, have two, so I have something to commit revenge with, and then tell everyone that’s my plan, and hope they take that seriously.
My question is simple: what _regulatory_ purpose is served by having a deposit limit for FDIC insurance? I understand that once you have unlimited insurance for deposits, an immediate question is raised in many people’s minds about But Then Why Have Private Banks At All. There’s been talk of letting people have bank accounts directly with the Fed for a while now (“The Narrow Bank”) and boy, does the Fed not want that. Who can blame them? If someone writes a bad check, either on their own account or criminally on someone else’s account, the bank has to deal with that — it’s a customer service problem, it’s a legal problem, it’s just a hassle. But also, there’s going to be just random crap like, oh I lost my debit card and how do I get a new one. A lot of people want single payer and point out all the savings to be had by doing so, over in health insurance. We don’t do that, and everyone bemoans all the capitalists getting rich. And also, this is a way for the government to not become mired in every single customer service complaint. Imagine all the people escalating to their Representative or Senator, every time they were not happy about a charge at the doctor … or a fee that wasn’t reimbursed on the ATM … or a charge they don’t recognize but will after they harangue some poor schmuck on the phone for an hour. We’re not going to have ordinary folks banking at the Fed now or ever, because nobody over there has any desire to run a customer service operation for the entire planet.
But as long as people could get around the limit by banking in multiple banks, it seems a little ridiculous to have the limit in the first place. Especially if the FDIC is going to cover some or maybe even all deposits way past the limit, and with lapses in access that are measured in a single weekend. Does it make sense to have more than one credit card in case something happens to one and you have to wait for a replacement card? Sure! That does NOT mean you should have to have a different credit card for every additional N dollars you might want to charge in a billing cycle. If you have a bunch of cards, you can generally close several, and get the dollar limit on the ones you closed added to whichever one(s) you kept. I just don’t fully understand why it doesn’t work this way for bank accounts. I mean, other than the obvious path dependency issue. Historic reasons to not work this way, but we’re here, we should change it.
TL;DR I can understand having two email accounts, in case one is unavailable. I can understand having two credit cards, in case something happens to one of them. I can understand having two bank accounts, ditto. But I don’t understand why there _from a regulatory perspective_ there should be a deposit limit that people can get around by having N accounts (up to a very large multiple of the deposit limit). Just because it _seems_ like you might as well let people have a checking account at the Fed if there’s no deposit limit doesn’t mean there are not really important services being provided by private banks. We can go to no deposit limit on insurance without immediately stepping to banking at the Fed.