What we are working on
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walkitoutWe (author of blog and daughter A., with assistance from J., another relative of we) are working on proposal “Radical English”. First draft:
Radical English
Verb of Radical English: No Conjugation Remain
Pronoun of Radical English: We, You and They. Radical English have no number, no gender, no case and no distinction between person and thing. Corresponding to pronoun are Our (ours), Your (yours) and Their (theirs). Possessive are otherwise formed in the usual way (‘s).
Definite and Indefinite Article of Radical English Are Removed; Number And None Remain
We are Jane Doe.
You are Joan Doe.
They are John Roe.
We are Jane and Joan.
They are John and Ron.
Ron are member of Doe/Roe Family.
They are one of we.
If you like Jane, you like they.
If you like Jane and Joan, (and speaker/writer are Joan) you like we.
We drive i3. They are our i3.
John drive Odyssey. They are their Odyssey. (<— Antecedent confusion; rewrite for clarity. John drive their Odyssey clearly indicate that in addition to driving, John possess Odyssey).
If you have really big problem with idea of using “they” to refer to non-specified gender person, have we got deal for you!
No more it! People refer to animal as “it”, which are not cool! They are now “they”. See Spot run. They run!
You already do almost all of work of Radical English for Second Person. You go to store, whether you are Joan, or Joan and Jane, or Joan and Spot. Now, Spot can be you, going to store. You like Jane, and Jane like you.
They need little help, beyond removing gender and number. They has case problem. They like Joan, but Joan like “them”. What fuck are them anyway? They are accident waiting to happen and be pounced on by elite speaker. In Radical English, They like Joan, and Joan like They.
First person need lot of help.
About Conjugation
We simplify conjugation when we get rid of third person singular.
Eliminate all definite and indefinite article; number are still available. “We have one dog.” “We have more than one dog.” “We have no dog.”
Eliminate plural form of noun.
My -> Our / ours
His / Her / Its -> Their / theirs
You -> Your / yours
We are still working on:
This / That / These / Those
Contractions?
Some translation: first, Genesis 1 (based on NRSV)
Six Day of Creation and Sabbath
1 In beginning when God created[a] heaven and earth, 2 earth were formless void and darkness covered face of deep, while wind from God[b] swept over face of water. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there were light. 4 And God saw that light were good; and God separated light from darkness. 5 God called light Day, and darkness they called Night. And there were evening and there were morning, first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be dome in midst of waters, and let they separate water from water.” 7 So God made dome and separated water that were under dome from water that were above dome. And they were so. 8 God called dome Sky. And there were evening and there were morning, second day.
9 And God said, “Let water under sky be gathered together into one place, and let dry land appear.” And they were so. 10 God called dry land Earth, and water that were gathered together they called Seas. And God saw that they were good. 11 Then God said, “Let earth put forth vegetation: plant yielding seed, and fruit tree of every kind on earth that bear fruit with seed in it.” And they were so. 12 Earth brought forth vegetation: plant yielding seed of every kind, and tree of every kind bearing fruit with seed in it. And God saw that they were good. 13 And there were evening and there were morning, third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be light in dome of sky to separate day from night; and let they be for sign and for season and for day and year, 15 and let they be light in dome of sky to give light upon earth.” And they were so. 16 God made two great light—the greater light to rule day and lesser light to rule night—and star. 17 God set they in the dome of sky to give light upon earth, 18 to rule over day and over night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that they were good. 19 And there were evening and there were morning, fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let water bring forth swarm of living creature, and let bird fly above earth across dome of sky.” 21 So God created great sea monster and every living creature that move, of every kind, with which water swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that they were good. 22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill water in sea, and let bird multiply on earth.” 23 And there were evening and there were morning, fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let earth bring forth living creature of every kind: cattle and creeping thing and wild animal of earth of every kind.” And they were so. 25 God made wild animal of earth of every kind, and cattle of every kind, and everything that creep upon ground of every kind. And God saw that they were good.
26 Then God said, “Let we make humankind[c] in our image, according to our likeness; and let they have dominion over fish of sea, and over bird of air, and over cattle, and over all wild animal of earth,[d] and over every creeping thing that creep upon earth.”
27
So God created humankind[e] in their image,
in image of God they created them;[f]
male and female they created they.
28 God blessed they, and God said to they, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill earth and subdue they; and have dominion over fish of sea and over bird of air and over every living thing that move upon earth.” 29 God said, “See, we have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon face of all earth, and every tree with seed in their fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of earth, and to every bird of air, and to everything that creep on earth, everything that has breath of life, we have given every green plant for food.” And they were so. 31 God saw everything that they had made, and indeed, they were very good. And there were evening and there were morning, sixth day.
Pretty fantastic! But that passage sound good in many translation. Look at progression of Shylock’s speech —from flesh, to man, to Jew and Christian as category … and then back to individual.
Salerio
Why, we are sure if they forfeit, you will not take their flesh. What are they good for?
Shylock
To bait fish withal. If they will feed nothing else, they will feed our revenge. They have disgraced we, and hindered we half a million, laughed at our loss, mocked at our gain, scorned our nation, thwarted our bargain, cooled our friend, heated our enemy, and for what reason? We are Jew. Have not Jew eye? Have not Jew hand, organ, dimension, sense, affection, passion? Fed with same food, hurt with same weapon, subject to same disease, healed by same means, warmed and cooled by same winter and summer, as Christian are? If you prick we, do we not bleed? If you tickle we, do we not laugh? If you poison we, do we not die? And if you wrong we, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in rest, we will resemble you in that. If Jew wrong Christian, what are their humility? Revenge. If Christian wrong Jew, what should their sufferance be by Christian example?Why, revenge. The villainy you teach we, we will execute, and they shall go hard but we will better instruction.
Interesting change! Sleep now, and we will think more tomorrow.
ETA: We find copyediting Radical English challenging. Assistance in comment are welcome.
Radical English
Verb of Radical English: No Conjugation Remain
Pronoun of Radical English: We, You and They. Radical English have no number, no gender, no case and no distinction between person and thing. Corresponding to pronoun are Our (ours), Your (yours) and Their (theirs). Possessive are otherwise formed in the usual way (‘s).
Definite and Indefinite Article of Radical English Are Removed; Number And None Remain
We are Jane Doe.
You are Joan Doe.
They are John Roe.
We are Jane and Joan.
They are John and Ron.
Ron are member of Doe/Roe Family.
They are one of we.
If you like Jane, you like they.
If you like Jane and Joan, (and speaker/writer are Joan) you like we.
We drive i3. They are our i3.
John drive Odyssey. They are their Odyssey. (<— Antecedent confusion; rewrite for clarity. John drive their Odyssey clearly indicate that in addition to driving, John possess Odyssey).
If you have really big problem with idea of using “they” to refer to non-specified gender person, have we got deal for you!
No more it! People refer to animal as “it”, which are not cool! They are now “they”. See Spot run. They run!
You already do almost all of work of Radical English for Second Person. You go to store, whether you are Joan, or Joan and Jane, or Joan and Spot. Now, Spot can be you, going to store. You like Jane, and Jane like you.
They need little help, beyond removing gender and number. They has case problem. They like Joan, but Joan like “them”. What fuck are them anyway? They are accident waiting to happen and be pounced on by elite speaker. In Radical English, They like Joan, and Joan like They.
First person need lot of help.
About Conjugation
We simplify conjugation when we get rid of third person singular.
Eliminate all definite and indefinite article; number are still available. “We have one dog.” “We have more than one dog.” “We have no dog.”
Eliminate plural form of noun.
My -> Our / ours
His / Her / Its -> Their / theirs
You -> Your / yours
We are still working on:
This / That / These / Those
Contractions?
Some translation: first, Genesis 1 (based on NRSV)
Six Day of Creation and Sabbath
1 In beginning when God created[a] heaven and earth, 2 earth were formless void and darkness covered face of deep, while wind from God[b] swept over face of water. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there were light. 4 And God saw that light were good; and God separated light from darkness. 5 God called light Day, and darkness they called Night. And there were evening and there were morning, first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be dome in midst of waters, and let they separate water from water.” 7 So God made dome and separated water that were under dome from water that were above dome. And they were so. 8 God called dome Sky. And there were evening and there were morning, second day.
9 And God said, “Let water under sky be gathered together into one place, and let dry land appear.” And they were so. 10 God called dry land Earth, and water that were gathered together they called Seas. And God saw that they were good. 11 Then God said, “Let earth put forth vegetation: plant yielding seed, and fruit tree of every kind on earth that bear fruit with seed in it.” And they were so. 12 Earth brought forth vegetation: plant yielding seed of every kind, and tree of every kind bearing fruit with seed in it. And God saw that they were good. 13 And there were evening and there were morning, third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be light in dome of sky to separate day from night; and let they be for sign and for season and for day and year, 15 and let they be light in dome of sky to give light upon earth.” And they were so. 16 God made two great light—the greater light to rule day and lesser light to rule night—and star. 17 God set they in the dome of sky to give light upon earth, 18 to rule over day and over night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that they were good. 19 And there were evening and there were morning, fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let water bring forth swarm of living creature, and let bird fly above earth across dome of sky.” 21 So God created great sea monster and every living creature that move, of every kind, with which water swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that they were good. 22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill water in sea, and let bird multiply on earth.” 23 And there were evening and there were morning, fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let earth bring forth living creature of every kind: cattle and creeping thing and wild animal of earth of every kind.” And they were so. 25 God made wild animal of earth of every kind, and cattle of every kind, and everything that creep upon ground of every kind. And God saw that they were good.
26 Then God said, “Let we make humankind[c] in our image, according to our likeness; and let they have dominion over fish of sea, and over bird of air, and over cattle, and over all wild animal of earth,[d] and over every creeping thing that creep upon earth.”
27
So God created humankind[e] in their image,
in image of God they created them;[f]
male and female they created they.
28 God blessed they, and God said to they, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill earth and subdue they; and have dominion over fish of sea and over bird of air and over every living thing that move upon earth.” 29 God said, “See, we have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon face of all earth, and every tree with seed in their fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of earth, and to every bird of air, and to everything that creep on earth, everything that has breath of life, we have given every green plant for food.” And they were so. 31 God saw everything that they had made, and indeed, they were very good. And there were evening and there were morning, sixth day.
Pretty fantastic! But that passage sound good in many translation. Look at progression of Shylock’s speech —from flesh, to man, to Jew and Christian as category … and then back to individual.
Salerio
Why, we are sure if they forfeit, you will not take their flesh. What are they good for?
Shylock
To bait fish withal. If they will feed nothing else, they will feed our revenge. They have disgraced we, and hindered we half a million, laughed at our loss, mocked at our gain, scorned our nation, thwarted our bargain, cooled our friend, heated our enemy, and for what reason? We are Jew. Have not Jew eye? Have not Jew hand, organ, dimension, sense, affection, passion? Fed with same food, hurt with same weapon, subject to same disease, healed by same means, warmed and cooled by same winter and summer, as Christian are? If you prick we, do we not bleed? If you tickle we, do we not laugh? If you poison we, do we not die? And if you wrong we, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in rest, we will resemble you in that. If Jew wrong Christian, what are their humility? Revenge. If Christian wrong Jew, what should their sufferance be by Christian example?Why, revenge. The villainy you teach we, we will execute, and they shall go hard but we will better instruction.
Interesting change! Sleep now, and we will think more tomorrow.
ETA: We find copyediting Radical English challenging. Assistance in comment are welcome.